Saturday, April 07, 2007

FYI AGAIN on the state of the XCG's and reveals his secret identity!

Personal perspective on the state of the COG's I originally started writing this message as a private e-mail, but as I got into it I decided it would be appropriate to instead post it publicly. Basically it's a broad "state of the COG's" overview from my perspective. Up front I want to make it clear that I'm not "picking on" the COG's. I'm well aware that many of the problems I relate here are not unique to the COG's and can in fact be found in religions and political systems around the world and that such things have been happening for thousands of years - as Solomon noted, there's nothing new under the sun. I single out the COG's here only because that is my background, not because I believe they have a monopoly on such problems.As I indicated in previous messages on JLF, my current spiritual state is pretty much nil. I still believe more or less the same things I have for years but I'm very much disillusioned with religion in general and the COG's in particular - not so much for their core teachings, but for their way of doing things. The WCG and its spin off's - or ACOG's (Armstrong COG's) as some prefer to call them - always seem to find a way to do the wrong thing no matter how many opportunities they have to get it right. As many have told me over the years, an apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The practices and policies of Herbert Armstrong continue to influence everything these Churches do.On the left you have the current WCG. It may have thrown out much of Armstrong's doctrine, but it definitely retains his abusive "government" and cultic style of "leadership". On the right you have the HWA purists like Gerald Flurry's PCG and David Pack's RCG who have finely honed that abusive government into little gulags. These are instruments of finely crafted deception, expertly tuned to attract anyone who has ever been caught up in the personality cult surrounding Herbert Armstrong.In between these extremes you have groups like UCG and LCG who are schizophrenically trying to both embrace and distance themselves from HWA. And sprinkled throughout are all the "splinters" and "slivers" (as David Pack calls them - as if he and his group stood apart from and above all the rest). These range in size from a small handful meeting in a living room to a few hundred meeting in tiny groups around the world.To one degree or another all of them compete for a rapidly shrinking pool of aging tithe payers - generally current or former WCG members. A few of them have outreach programs to try to gain new converts, but such efforts are only marginally effective. Truly "new" members (people who never heard of Herbert Armstrong) are few and far between.As competitors many of them routinely "betray and hate one another" - like so many predators fighting over a carcass. And to the degree they practice HWA's "government" they also betray and routinely demonstrate hate towards their own members like a predator eating its own children. Thus there is a steady stream of dazed, confused and disillusioned members either moving from one "fellowship" to another or dropping out of the COG's altogether.It's not all bad. There are some groups which appear to be more or less benign and have not become addicted to power and lording it over others. And all of these groups (even the most extreme) have members, deacons, elders, ministers, etc who love God and are genuinely trying to serve and give and do what is right.But in many cases these people are fighting a losing battle against an irresistible tide. There is tremendous pressure on them to compromise and betray their own principles. They are told to "be a team player" and "get with the program" and to stop being "self willed". It's all too easy for even the most honest and upright servants to cave into such pressures, soil their garments, and begin to beat their fellow servants and drink with the drunkards.Most ironically, such people are often "disfellowshipped" or "marked" for doing *PRECISELY* what their Church teaches and claims to practice. As if by magic, "truth" apparently loses its validity when applied to a "minister" or to a favored lap dog or upper bracket tithe payer. Iniquity abounds, and the love of many is fiercely and mercilessly driven to become cold.Am I being overly harsh? I don't think so. I say all these things based not only on my own experiences but on the experiences of *MANY* others as well. Through e-mails, phone calls, internet forums etc, the stories are all a little different, and yet nauseatingly familiar. Early on I tended to ignore such accounts, writing them off as "a root of bitterness"... until I experienced first hand things I had been warned would probably occur. The Bible says in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a matter is established. In the mouths of a great many such witnesses it is beyond any shadow of any doubt.I know and count as friends many individuals in these groups - people who have proven themselves over time to be truly "of God". But as a whole, I cannot believe most of these Churches are truly "of God" as their names all claim them to be. Taken as a whole, if these groups truly have the love of God shed abroad in their hearts then I'm not sure I want to know such a God. Jesus said his disciples would be known by the love they have towards one another. What can then be said about a bunch of competing, backstabbing, spiteful little groups trying to destroy one another and all the while claiming an exclusive franchise on God? What an ungodly and unholy mess! No wonder people are so confused.







Glenn W. Matteson


















aka FYI Again








Editors note: FYI Again=Glenn Mattson??? Wow!!! What an 180 degree turn for the better! Pure evidence that God is not finished with ALL of us yet while in his grace. Though Glenn is at a downturn in his walk, may he still experience the promise that Jesus gives to all believers---to have life and have it more abundantly.

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Friday, March 02, 2007

Wise words from an Armstrongist Refusnik (FYI Again)!!!

Not all COG's are alike.There's no question that the cult oriented COG's - the HWA era WCG, Gerald Flurry's PCG and David Pack's RCG being the more obvious examples - have (and continue to) cause psychological damage to most if not all of those who support them. It's just a matter of degree - some are more damaged than others. These certainly can and should be held accountable for the inevitable results of their abusive, controlling policies.But not all COG's are like this. Some have largely ejected the cult mentality. Some are in the process of doing so. They all continue to have problems of one sort or another as the legacies of Armstrong's personality cult, abusive government, and speculative prophetic interpretations continue to work their poison.Many of the WCG spin off groups are changing, just as the WCG itself is changing - although not necessarily in the same ways. Case in point: it might surprise you to hear that many stalwart, long time members of groups like UCG and LCG are increasingly accusing those organizations of liberalizing and watering down doctrine. These groups are divided and in turmoil. Older, Armstrongist oriented members are departing in droves to join with the more "fundamentalist" groups like RCG and PCG.And you know what? These older members are right. They *are* "liberalizing" and "watering down" doctrine. They deny it of course - as the Tkach's did. And they continue to maintain strict control, which is a danger in itself even if their motives truly are benign.Then there are the non-Armstrong COG's. What are these? Simply, they are the ones that never were tainted by Armstrong's peculiar brand of COGism. Primarily Church of God Seventh Day (COG7) and its many derivatives. These are the COG's where Armstrong learned basic COG doctrine, which he added to and abused to further his own ambitions and greed. To be sure, some of these groups *have* created a cult mentality - it's a common problem in small Churches of any sort whenever you have naturally controlling and/or ambitious men seeking a following. But for the most part these groups have stayed free of the kind of cultism that Armstrong fostered.People are going to believe what they are going to believe. Armstrong's teachings, his policies, his personality cult, and his prophetic interpretations had a powerful and lasting effect on a lot of people. Armstrong also taught basic COG doctrine which he learned from COG7 - some of which he taught accurately (ie biblically) and effectively.Why do you suppose so many believed Armstrong? Because they *REALLY DID* see in their bibles that much of what he was saying was true. He was very convincing. Of course the best way to teach lies is to liberally mix them with truth.How many of Armstrong's doctrines do you still cling to? Everyone's different of course, but I think even the most die hard anti Armstrongists probably still - whether they are willing to admit it or not - cling to at least some of the doctrines they learned through him and his Church.Of course, those who are firmly committed to Armstrongism have several choices available to them. At present, I'd estimate that David Pack's "Restored" Church of God (RCG) is the closest in terms of pure, undiluted, full strength Armstrongism. Like Armstrong, David Pack claims to be an Apostle. He also lays claim to several "titles" that Armstrong himself once claimed to hold - "Messenger to Israel" and "Watchman" to a specific "era" of "the Church". RCG is a popular destination for the dedicated Armstrongites, and continues to spread the same poison.But there are plenty of alternatives for those who are less than fully committed to Armstrongism, but who still believe many of the doctrines they once learned. These doctrines are not evil simply because Armstrong taught them. For those who believe them, there are Churches were they can be relatively free of the mind controlling cult mentality and abuse. Such people can find others of like mind, with whom they may have profitable fellowship - which some people need very badly.The worst thing someone like this can do is to remain alone with no one to talk to for a long period of time. I think a lot of people make this mistake and it's terribly unhealthy - they'd be better off back in the cult than stewing in their own confusion and uncertainty. That I think is the primary mistake that this man made. He clearly still maintained some - perhaps most - of his former belief system. Yet outside his own family he had nobody to share his faith with. That can be a mighty lonely place to be. I know. I've been there.Of course the reverse can also be true. If someone is staying in a Church they no longer trust or believe in simply because they have friends there, that too is a mistake and is unhealthy. If you can't have some confidence in a Church, it's time to hit the road Jack and don't go back. I know this too. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt, ain't going back.Broadly speaking, I define Armstrongism as:1) the personality cult (HWA = Elijah, God's Apostle, etc),2) the abusive, controlling "Government of God", and3) the teaching of highly speculative prophetic interpretation as gospel truth.I make a distinction between Armstrongism and basic COG doctrine - most of which pre-dated Armstrong and which he himself learned from COG7. He of course tried to cover that up by calling it "Dead Sardis" and painting a falsified picture of it in his autobiography, but the fact remains that the core of his doctrine was not unique to him. He learned it from an existing group. That group still exists. And it never had anything to do with Armstrongism, in spite of the many similarities in teaching (doctrine) that can still be found.Armstrongism itself is dying. It's being kept on life support by a small handful of nutburgers, but there's no question that its core constituency is aging and rapidly dying off. There are very few *new* converts.Everyone's journey is different - and God works differently with different people. As Stingerski often says, your mileage may vary. To those who give up most if not all vestiges of COG doctrine, they have plenty of choices - many have become atheists, many have returned to more mainstream denominations and all points in between. There are plenty of potential destinations.But for those (like me) who still believe *some* of the COG doctrines - and there are a lot of us - there are COG groups which can serve the purpose of providing comfort and fellowship. And some of them don't require you to be a "regular" member - you can visit when you feel a need to.I am not currently a "regular" of *ANY* particular COG group. I have been in this state for quite some time now and I'm perfectly happy to be so. I have friends in a number of different groups - as well as a good many friends who are not and never have been part of any COG. When I feel a need for some COG style fellowship, I'm glad I have that alternative available.Admittedly the COG's are difficult waters to navigate. There are narrows and icebergs, storms and pirates aplenty to watch out for. But for those who need them, I'm glad that some are still around. Perhaps if this man who murdered his family had had someone with similar beliefs to talk to, he wouldn't have done what he did.
---FYI Again in WCG Alumni message board making a bold declaration that there is an emerging difference between Armstrongism and the Churches of God that is becoming a reality and needs to be paid serious attention to!

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