Wednesday, May 30, 2007

Wise Words fom Byker Bob: Armstrongism tried over and over DOES NOT WORK!


Ya know, J, last summer I was listening to the Michael Medved program. On this particular occasion, he was observing how every couple of decades, any one of several influential professors on some of the larger ivy league campuses will attempt to rehabilitate the concept of communism. And, the first thing this person will state is that communism really is not a bad way of life if we could only get the right people running it. They'll
blame tyrannical dictators for the failure of the philosophy itself.

Now, Medved wondered, how many times do we have to try communism and have it fail before we realize that the very philosophy corrupts leaders and makes them into the oppressive types of tyrants that are universally associated with communism?

That for me was a huge lightbulb moment! I knew immediately that this had a direct parallel to the typical Armstrongite doctrines, and the ACOGs! How many times do we have to experiment with the so-called 18 restored truths before we realize that that very system will always produce oppressive leaders, and very toxic cultic behavior????? It's a cause and effect relationship, and though Armstrongites consider themselves to be Christians, the ACOG system always produces very unChristian behavior! I suppose you could privately practice Armstrongism in your home, and not do anyone any harm, but the minute you turn it into an organized group, voila! Hello cultism!

Far be it from me to try to dictate peoples' choices in their religious practices, but I personally feel that anyone who goes from ACOG to ACOG, attempting to find the "good" one is just kidding themselves.
Source: Shadows of the WCG blog, response to article: Scattered and in Disarray 05/27/07

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Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Byker Bob on Jerry Falwell



This man, whether one liked and agreed with him or not, mobilized what became the antidote to the '60s. All of the battles that the various groups thought they had won during the late '60s were contested by Jerry Falwell, and his "Moral Majority". By the end of the '70s, most people were cutting off their long hair, and adopting more conservative lifestyles. The '70s were pretty much a decade of national partying, dope smoking, and such. Falwell's backlash was responsible for sweeping Ronald Reagan into office. At the time, I saw this as being a bad thing, because it appeared that the prudes were taking back the country. I'd just left one crazy religious group, and here, suddenly, it appeared that a bunch of evangelical fanatics were reversing all of the new things which I'd come to love and enjoy. They even wanted to censor the lyrics in rock n roll! There were massive protests outside of Planned Parenthood clinics.At this point in time, there are people who are absolutely paranoid that the Christian right is working in cahoots with our federal government to create a religious police state. I think that is just rhetoric, and don't take it seriously at all. One thing is certain, though. Reagan, possibly with Falwell's influence, induced a lot of "yellow dog Democrats", who were also born again Christians, to cross over and vote for Lincoln's party. Falwell's role was to convince Christians that they didn't have to sit around and just watch as anti-Christian decisions were made by the electorate. He got them involved in the political process, and demonstrated that the Republican party platform was more consistent with their beliefs than was that of the Democrats.Good or bad, Jerry Falwell certainly had more influence on the course of the USA than did HWA or any of his successors. Ol' Hog Jowls is probably turning over in his grave over being upstaged to such an extent.
From Worldwide Church of God Alumni message board 05/17/07

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007

Intelligent quotes of the day: condemnations on XCG's insensitivity on the Virgina Tech tragedy

Editor's note: We at Post WCG Life and Theology share mourning and loss of the over thirty people killed at Virginia Tech campus earlier this week. We also firmly support people (like those on Gary Scott's blog XCG) who have soundly condemned the insensitive and unchristian comments from the XCG splinters who have exploited this tragedy for their own purposes. My message to those who condemned the XCG's cold and heartless statements, do not back down! You got two thumbs---way up!!!



Unfortunately, I must edit Richard Ames’ statement to more accurately reflect the truth.

It should read as follows: “From Brookfield to Kosovo, and from Blacksburg to Baghdad, our world is mired in violence, pain, and suffering. We wish we had the answers, brethren, but events of the recent past prove that we don’t know any more than the people to whom we condescendingly refer as ‘the world.’


At the risk of sounding somewhat twisted, I must also ask, what if the grim reaper, when he was deciding that a bunch of people needed to die at VT, had picked a disgruntled and depressed teenager from Flurry’s or Pack’s congregations to do the deeds, rather than a Korean immigrant? Would it cause any soul searching, and maybe some reforms to get rid of some of the anachronistic, disfunctional teachings of the ACOGs? I had begun to think that Brookfield might be reponsible some of the recent liberalization and reform at LCG, but on the heels of Ames’ quotation, obviously not!



---Byker Bob



Well yes, when families are grieving, it’s meaningless and a waste of time to comfort them and shed tears with them. It’s so much better to tell them about the eagerly-anticipated great tribulation and seven last plagues and second coming of Christ and second resurrection.
It just shows you how out of touch these Armstrongist mouthpieces are with reality, and how hard and stone-cold-dead their hearts are: in times of horror and pain, if you started mouthing words about the great tribulation and whatnot, you can be sure that the mourners will stare at you in utter disbelief, wondering just what it was that caused you to go off your nut. It’s your words that they’d regard as meaningless, not the caring words of comfort they receive.
Even more, right after a mentally ill person has murdered your loved ones, the last thing you want is to be accosted by someone intent on sharing his waaaaay-out-of-the-mainstream religious beliefs with you. You’d surely wonder if all the crazies were coming out of the woodwork just to make your life a living hell.
Only someone whose natural human feelings were severely atrophied could make such a comment as meaningless words of “healing”.
Another observation: contrary to the Flurryites, good child rearing is important, but it’s no sure protection against mental illness, which often has nothing to do with how a child is raised.
Well, these reactions to the massacre are just appalling for their opportunism and cruel, uncharitable, uncaring utter cluelessness.


---Jared Olar



Ruling over sinful thoughts is tough work.
The usual mind-control diatribe: if bad things happen, it’s all your fault because you don’t pray enough, don’t fast enough, don’t tithe enough, don’t study enough, and don’t work hard enough to banish “sinful thoughts”.... It is impossible to be in control of your thoughts if you have a chemical imbalance or are otherwise mentally afflicted.
The sick thinking of just one individual can bring tragedy to a multitude of people. Therefore, we each have an enormous responsibility to rule over and subdue our own sinful thoughts.
I love how UCG tries to scare us by implying we are all capable of slipping up (by not “subduing” sinful thoughts) and will thereby cause us to wreak the same kind of havoc as a mentally deranged individual with a clear history of troubles.

---John


...The problem is that they think that prayer will solve the problem. Some of the xcg’s probably think the man was demon possessed- and not mentally ill.
Their advice to someone that has asked for healing and hasn’t received it is to re-examine oneself and continue to pray about it. It doesn’t occur to them that the answer was no and that the individual should seek out competent healthcare.
With regard to the individual at Virginia Tech, it looks like the system failed to help him. The warning signs were all there, he was referred to counseling, and even the police were involved with him at one point for stalking. At one of those points he should have been sent to the loony bin for treatment. Now there are 30+ young lives snuffed out and a Holocaust survivor as well. The families and friends of those people need consolation, not false propoganda about The World Tomorrow, or to hear about how observing the sabbath, tithing, and prayer will spare them from a similar fate in the Great Tribulation.


---Charlie Kieran

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Monday, April 16, 2007

Wise Words from Byker Bob: Imagined if Jesus Christ behaved like HWA???




What if Jesus had behaved as an ACOG? Boy, wouldn't the New Testament be a totally different document? I believe this speculative topic is fair game, too, since the ACOGs profess to be practicing Christianity in the same manner as the early Christians.Just in briefly pondering this topic, I've come up with some very interesting changes that would be required. I would guess that some of our other members will come up with some additional contributions.First, we'd need to radically alter the work that Jesus and the disciples did. If they behaved in the Armstrongian mode, Jesus would constantly be hammering people for their tithes and offerings, so that opulent buildings could be built to house and train additional young disciples, and to enhance Jesus' credibility amongst the world leaders of the day. He would also be chauferred from city to city in a fine Egyptian chariot to preach his message. The message would need to be changed from one of salvation, to one dominated by the end of the age, to capitalize on the value of scare, and stimulating additional donations.There would be no concern for the world at large, only for those who believed and were part of Jesus' church. Instead of reprimanding Peter for cutting off the Roman Centurion's ear, and rather than heal him, he'd probably say, "Oh well, he's not one of us, so let the dead bury the dead!"We'd also need to edit the passages concerning miraculous healings, so that perhaps 99% of the healings failed, with the "patients" being ridiculed as "dumb sheep", and blamed for their lack of faith. Rather than teaching that the Sabbath is made for man, Jesus would be required to select and carefully choose certain requirements from the 613 Levitical laws, and to insist that they be kept to the nth degree.He would not be concerned with feeding the masses physical food. Perhaps those who were baptized would get a morsel or two, but largely they'd be told to start tithing so that God would bless them.When his disciples asked him serious hard and deep questions, he would compare them to Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, and tell them that they were in rebellion, and in the bonds of Satan. No way would he be patient with them, and try to minister to their deep inner needs as he was with Thomas. In fact, Thomas would have been told, "My way or the highway".To elude capture by Romans and Jews, Jesus would have travelled to a place outside of his would be captors' jurisdiction, where he maintained a fine third or fourth home, and kept a fine sailing vessel ready to travel on short notice. He would also have a team of attorneys and possibly an armed bodyguard to defend him.Finally, Jesus message would need to incorporate the total valuelessness of the human experience. Humans are totally secondary to the law. They are only important if they obey. The minute they exercise free will apart from the law, they are to be blotted out for eternity.
---Editor's note: We can thank God Almighty that when he sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ was NEVER, EVER like an Herbert Armstrong or an Armstrongite. Amen!

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